'70 Nordschleife crashes on 3rd or 4rth lap!

Okay, I figured I'd ask here as I know there's fans of this track here. I looked at NoGrip in the track's download area and no one mentions it. I've tried the different versions, even replaced it with the one from the Altbierbude but no luck so.....


When I do a race here, with AI, the game crashes on the 3rd or 4rth lap. It seems to be r3elated to when the AI cars pit as when they start pitting, that's the lap the game crashes on as I go by the pits. Am I the only one this has happened to? Does ANYONE have an idea why?

I really like this track but so far haven't been able to do a race on it.

I give up. I as I said, replaced it with the 'Bude's version, and cleared the HAT and this time it crashed on the first lap. Well, a6t least we have '75 as it doesn't do it.

The trace file if it helps:
vidman.cpp 1044: Entered VidMan::Enter()
specialfx.cp 3138: Entered SpecialFX::Enter()
dynman.cpp 632: Entered DynMan::Enter()
plrfile.cpp 3334: Entered PlayerFile::Enter()
sound.cpp 725: Entered Sound::Enter()
hwinput.cpp 6369: Entered HWInput::Enter()
onscreen.cpp 2941: Entered OnScreen::Enter()
game.cpp 717: Entered Game::Setup()
hwinput.cpp 6383: Entered HWInput::Setup()
options.cpp 1561: Entered Options::Setup()
plrfile.cpp 2510: Attempting to save to USERDATA\Den\Den.TMP
plrfile.cpp 2533: Retcode: 0 for renaming to USERDATA\Den\Den.PLR
specialfx.cp 3144: Entered SpecialFX::Setup()
steward.cpp 4585: Entered Steward::Setup()
dynman.cpp 644: Entered DynMan::Setup()
sound.cpp 748: Entered Sound::Setup()
onscreen.cpp 2947: Entered OnScreen::Setup()
vidman.cpp 1184: Entered VidMan::Setup()
plrfile.cpp 3344: Entered PlayerFile::Setup()
plrfile.cpp 2510: Attempting to save to USERDATA\Den\Den.TMP
plrfile.cpp 2533: Retcode: 0 for renaming to USERDATA\Den\Den.PLR
game.cpp 764: Entered Game::Init()
vidman.cpp 1237: Entered VidMan::Init()
ai_db.cpp 2143: Entered AIDatabase::Init()
steward.cpp 4680: Entered Steward::Init()
hwinput.cpp 6426: Entered HWInput::Init()
specialfx.cp 3255: Entered SpecialFX::Init()
dynman.cpp 674: Entered DynMan::Init()
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TRACKVEHICLES\SAFETYCAR\SAFETYCAR.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
pitmod.cpp 194: Entered PitAction::Init
AnimationLoa 24: AnimationLoader::Load(PitCrew.ani)
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\MINI COOPER S\PETROLHEADSCAT55\..\AUSTIN_MINI.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\VW 1600 BEETLE CHALLENGE\101\..\VW_BEETLE.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\VW 1600 BEETLE CHALLENGE\16A\..\VW_BEETLE.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\FORD F SPRINT\1IF\..\FORD_FSPRINT.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\ALFA ROMEO GTA\5NM\..\ALFA_GTA.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\FORD F SPRINT\140\..\FORD_FSPRINT.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\EXTRACARS\MAZDA L10B\HPI CARS\..\MAZDAL10B.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\LOTUS CORTINA\ZO98\..\LOTUS_CORTINA.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\ALFA ROMEO GTA\73\..\ALFA_GTA.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\ALFA ROMEO GTA JUNIOR\7PG\..\ALFA_GTAJR.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\ALFA ROMEO GTA JUNIOR\36SB\..\ALFA_GTAJR.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\MINI COOPER S\SL9\..\AUSTIN_MINI.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\SPRIDGET\AH1\..\AUSTINHEALEY_SPRITEMK2.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\LOTUS CORTINA\171CT\LOTUS_CORTINA.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\MINI COOPER S\18\..\AUSTIN_MINI.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\1310 MINI COOPER S\65HOY\..\MINI_1310.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\MINI SPRINT\22HOY\..\AUSTIN_MINI.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\FORD MUSTANG\17TR\..\FORD_MUSTANG.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\AUSTIN HEALEY SPRITE\42SP\..\AH_SPRITE.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\MINI COOPER S\97A\..\AUSTIN_MINI.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\MINI SPRINT\63G\..\AUSTIN_MINI.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\MINI COOPER S\505\..\AUSTIN_MINI.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\MINI COOPER S\592\..\AUSTIN_MINI.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\PORSCHE 912\321US\..\PORSCHE_912.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\MAZDA RX-3\13S\..\MAZDA_RX3.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\TRIUMPH VITESSE\20RC\..\TRIUMPH_VITESSE.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\TRIUMPH VITESSE\253MC\..\TRIUMPH_VITESSE.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\TRIUMPH VITESSE\B00\..\TRIUMPH_VITESSE.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\JAGUAR MKII\ROADJ\..\JAGUAR_MKII.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\ABARTH 1000TC\313\..\ABARTH_1000TC.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\NARDI 1000GT\45\..\NARDI_1000GT.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\ABARTH 850TC\850\..\ABARTH_850TC.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\ABARTH 850TC\SA42\ABARTH_850TC.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\ABARTH 1000TCR\TCR315\..\ABARTH_1000TCR.CAS)
slot.cpp 291: Entered Slot::Init()
vehgfx.cpp 2520: Entered VehGraphics::Init(GAMEDATA\TEAMS\TC-65\ABARTH 1000TC\PETROLHEADSRG57\..\ABARTH_1000TC.CAS)
dynman.cpp 803: Exited DynMan::Init()
LensFlare.cp 59: Entered LensFlare::Init()
camera.cpp 4125: Entered CamMan::Init()
sound.cpp 753: Entered Sound::Init()
render.cpp 286: Entered Render::Init()
onscreen.cpp 2953: Entered OnScreen::Init()
AnimationLoa 24: AnimationLoader::Load(70Nordschleife.ani)
game.cpp 893: Entered Game::Restart()
sound.cpp 760: Entered Sound::Restart()
steward.cpp 4835: Entered Steward::Restart()
specialfx.cp 3732: Entered SpecialFX::Restart()
hwinput.cpp 6437: Entered HWInput::Restart()
dynman.cpp 811: Entered DynMan::Restart()
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
vehload.cpp 732: RPM-torque brake > throttle @ 0.000000
vehload.cpp 732: RPM-torque brake > throttle @ 250.000000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
vehload.cpp 732: RPM-torque brake > throttle @ 0.000000
vehload.cpp 732: RPM-torque brake > throttle @ 250.000000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 1.730219 CorneringAdd: 1.184890
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 0.965243 CorneringAdd: 1.567379
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 2.173580 CorneringAdd: 1.063210
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 2.774895 CorneringAdd: 0.912552
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 1.409552 CorneringAdd: 1.395224
vehload.cpp 732: RPM-torque brake > throttle @ 0.000000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 4.105673 CorneringAdd: 1.247163
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 1.575930 CorneringAdd: 1.462035
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 6.744911 CorneringAdd: 0.877544
camera.cpp 4149: Entered CamMan::Restart()
render.cpp 302: Entered Render::Restart()
onscreen.cpp 2973: Entered OnScreen::Restart()
vidman.cpp 1454: Entered VidMan::Restart()
plrfile.cpp 3381: Entered PlayerFile::Restart()
game.cpp 893: Entered Game::Restart()
sound.cpp 760: Entered Sound::Restart()
steward.cpp 4835: Entered Steward::Restart()
specialfx.cp 3732: Entered SpecialFX::Restart()
hwinput.cpp 6437: Entered HWInput::Restart()
dynman.cpp 811: Entered DynMan::Restart()
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
vehload.cpp 732: RPM-torque brake > throttle @ 0.000000
vehload.cpp 732: RPM-torque brake > throttle @ 250.000000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
vehload.cpp 732: RPM-torque brake > throttle @ 0.000000
vehload.cpp 732: RPM-torque brake > throttle @ 250.000000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 1.262188 CorneringAdd: 1.418906
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 0.677209 CorneringAdd: 1.711396
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 1.359957 CorneringAdd: 1.470022
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 1.576861 CorneringAdd: 1.511569
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 0.554302 CorneringAdd: 1.822849
vehload.cpp 732: RPM-torque brake > throttle @ 0.000000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 5.199029 CorneringAdd: 0.700485
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 1.805673 CorneringAdd: 1.347163
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 3.000000 CorneringAdd: 1.500000
driver.cpp 624: Race Ability: 6.833537 CorneringAdd: 0.833232
camera.cpp 4149: Entered CamMan::Restart()
render.cpp 302: Entered Render::Restart()
onscreen.cpp 2973: Entered OnScreen::Restart()
vidman.cpp 1454: Entered VidMan::Restart()
plrfile.cpp 3381: Entered PlayerFile::Restart()

I don't see anything wrong in that trace................, anyone else ?

Me either which is why I ask. maybe the number of cars too high? (30-33 usually). it's frustrating too because of course at over 10 minutes a lap (TC 65 lol) I get tired of it after a while.

Had the same problem with Spa67, only that sometimes ! I mean, on a race I've managed to do 5 laps, on some other race managed to do 40 laps..... 'til CTD.

Pretty much always around 3 or 4 in 5 lap race. I got the impression this last time when on first lap some AI cars had pitted (?) and again as I was coming up to the pits on track.

Hello Den and MG421982,
I had the same problem with the brand new Halle-Saale-Schleife, with 30 cars.
Two times at the beginning of the second lap.
And yes, it could be when an AI car comes in the pits.
I will do further testing.

Just tested, ctd during second lap on both test runs..........I'm going to try it on my bone stock GTL test install and see if that makes any difference......

Yeah. I just did a 9 lap run on Halle and no problem. many tracks, I get a problem, i can delete them and live with it, but I REALLY like '70 Nordscheiife!!

Just ran a 5 lapper on the stock install, no problems.........It would take a long time to weed out the "bad" cars(s) on the modified installs........try a stock TC-65 class or something if you still have one.....

Yeah, I wonder why it'd cause it though? as even with cartool, it does it. Maybe I'll try my spare clean install when i get a chance. Thanks.

Hello mates,

I tried again Halle-Saale-Schleife : 10 cars (Opel Commodore), and no pit : ok !
Another try, with 3 cars in pit during the race, and all was ok
So yes, it would be then a "bad" car ???
I will try with only "stock" cars.

Hi Den.

From your trace you have a problem with a car when it is trying to pit,
this line- "CorneringAdd" normally means the game has an issue with wheels, ie:
wrong genstring Number, .gmt or .dds files missing..

Try looking at the- petrolheads abarth as that was last to load..

Well, that skin is just a default genstring and simple skin. It seems to make no difference what cars I use as it happens EVERY race.

Anyways, I'm just using the '75 version instead and it works fine.

Another thought: If the problem is with pitting, what about temporarily pulling the animation file (.ani) out of the track's directory and trying a run without it? Pit crews would be an animation, right?