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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Fri 20 Jan 2012, 3:41 pm

Excellent news. Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Fri 20 Jan 2012, 6:52 pm

WOW! Excellent! Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Fri 20 Jan 2012, 7:26 pm

Fantastic News!!! Very Happy bounce cheers
I'm very much looking forward to this one!
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Fri 20 Jan 2012, 8:36 pm

Excellent Soze... cheers m8!!!! king
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Sat 21 Jan 2012, 1:33 am

Another day, another team:









As it appears to be 2 models per team I'm thinking in doing kind of championship files in the style of GTR2.

I could modify the cupstages.cdb to support them and name the race files something like 1971_Formula1_1.gdb, 1971_Formula1_2.gdb... with the actual races in their actual tracks and real race length, etc (if available, I didn't seek them yet). The first models would race in the earlier races and the second ones... well, you get the picture Wink.
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Sat 21 Jan 2012, 9:20 am

cheers cheers lol!
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Sat 21 Jan 2012, 1:35 pm

Im giddy as a school girl now!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Sat 21 Jan 2012, 4:05 pm


:)Great!!!
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Sun 22 Jan 2012, 3:06 pm

getting permission for THIS mod is excellent Very Happy

really looking forward to it... I´m still into puzzling the parts together for the 1975 mod - but at least my physics seem to tend in the right way both driving the cars as watching them in replay.

Just in case you need help on this part of the 1971 mod you might give me a hint Razz I won´t be able to to do all the stuff because I really can´t spend as much time in the next month as I like to but I´m able to help.

Regards and good luck furthermore lol!
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Sun 22 Jan 2012, 8:40 pm

streckensau - I'm still putting the parts together, but I already noticed these formulas pretty hard to drive. They're not as extreme as the Formula 1 classics, but your help will be very welcome. Thank you very much Very Happy.

I've been very busy this weekend:

- I had swapped the collision and shadow meshes and the shadows looked funny. It's now corrected in every car.

- New teams figured out:

Gunston Brabham:



Gunston March:



Lotus 69:



Lotus 72:





March Alfa Romeo:



March Ford: (There are four different configurations, these two are NL)





Matra:





Anybody know which Matra is this? (there was no .veh for it, just the parts inside of the MAS file. I put them together and it appears to be a very nice car)



And that was my weekend Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Sun 22 Jan 2012, 9:29 pm

Great work, this are the right car for my new track project for GTL ..... "Halle-Saale-Schleife from 1967". cheers
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Tue 24 Jan 2012, 2:05 am

f1_edition - I'd love to see that!!! Very Happy

WIP Status:

- I've done the 'championship files'. I searched on wikipedia and took all the intel from there. There are 11 races and the tracks you'll need to download and install (I hope their authors don't mind me to list them here):

South Africa (79 laps - 75Kyalami) by motorfx

Spain (75 laps - GPL Montjuich) by motorfx

Monaco (80 laps - 79Monaco) by DerDumeklemmer

Holland (70 laps - 67zandvoort) by DutchDevil

France (55 laps - 75paul) by DerDumeklemmer

Great Britain (68 laps - Silverstone88) by DerDumeklemmer

Germany (12 laps - 70Nordschleife) by motorfx

Austria (54 laps - 70Oesterreich) by motorfx

Italy (55 laps - 70sMonza) by motorfx

Canada (64 laps - 67Mosport) by TICTOC

USA (59 laps - 75Watkins) by motorfx

Every car will be individually marked to race only the actual races it did (if available, I already noticed of some lacks in the very first race).

You will have to modify your cupstages.cdb to support these new races, or you can use the one I'll provide with the mod (i'll include a backup of the original cupstages.cdb to revert the process).

If you have any suggestions about the track choice, please tell me.

- The shadow objects in the Matras and Marchs were wrong (those black spots on the front wings you can see in the former pictures). They're corrected now:





- New teams figured out:

Penske McLaren M19A





Bonnier McLaren M7C



McLaren M19A Ford



- I have a lot of in-game pictures taken so I'm setting up a gallery where you will be able to follow my obsession and creepiness. Because of their growing numbers I thought of using the ImageShack mass uploader and hosting the whole collection there. I don't know how the hell I'm going to share this thing with you, people, but note that it's being adressed.

EDIT: You can watch the gallery following this link (The slideshow pretty much spoils the images):

http://imageshack.us/g/607/gtl2012012401271037.png/


Unsolved issues:

- There's a problem with the McLaren M14A, the bloody rear wing refuses to make act of presence. I've tried everything, but none of my tricks did work. I will re-extract its MAS file and restart its conversion when I'm done figuring out the other teams. Or I will put it on fire if it keeps refusing to convert itself

- Be preparing yourselves for rig upgrading, gentlemen, because these babies are HEAVY. My computer is badass, but it fails to keep the 60 fps if there are more than 20 of them on screen. I never thought I would see such a thing so I'm going to optimize every LOD (Evil or Very Mad fuck!!!!), and it will take some time. I might have to redo the whole thing because of that and because of some issues I'm having with the McLaren skins. They're mixing up in some tracks and I don't know if it's the tracks fault or the cars. In well lightened tracks, like Sebring, they look gorgeous.

Be happy Very Happy.

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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Tue 24 Jan 2012, 2:46 pm

AWESOME!! You da man Soze!! cheers
Just read about the cancelation of Spa that year, what a shame. The old layout was one of the greatest that F1 ever raced on, IMHO.
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Wed 25 Jan 2012, 2:24 am

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Just read about the cancelation of Spa that year, what a shame. The old layout was one of the greatest that F1 ever raced on, IMHO.

Indeed, it was a mistake changing that layout. The result was fine but Spa is a very lucky track. Look what they've done to others, like Hockenheim Crying or Very sad.

WIP Status:

- I've been studying the 1971 season to see how many cars raced and where they did. All the cars I've converted are marked to do so now.

- New teams figured out:

Surtees TS7 Ford



Surtees TS9 Ford



Tyrrell 001 Ford



Tyrrell 002 Ford



Williams March 701



Williams March 711



- I found out that I missed several cars. There are a number of skins which don't hav a .veh file associated to them and I skipped them in my first conversion. To solve this I'll redo all the teams. I expect that this solves the issues with the shadows and the mixing up skins as well as the holes in the grids. This would be one of those alternative cars:

Brabham BT34 Ford





Beautiful car, isn't it?

This would be it with the teams. I'm redoing the whole thing to make it less fps hungry and it's possible that there are more hidden cars, but I don't think they will be many.

- Unsolved issues:

The McLaren M14 keeps hiding its rear wing. I redid the entire car and composed a new .cas file for it but this appears to be beyond my skills Sad

Sleep well Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Wed 25 Jan 2012, 7:56 am

This looks fantastic, hope you'll be successful with your conversions!
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Wed 25 Jan 2012, 8:24 pm

Hi Soze,

you are doing EXTREMELY WELL Very Happy

I´m quite stunned how fast you cut through that gmt and cas stuff... hats off for your apparent big talent on this. At F1C the modders did nearly every skin or mostly the whole car with different wings, body parts and driversuits that raced that season so it is lots of work just like you mentioned to get the parts together - that´s a good part where and even more why I´m stuck with the 75 season cars. But apart from the vast variety of the grid - yes the data is heavy on the hardware with a full grid Razz It takes even some loading time to get the choosen car viewed in the showroom.

So your efforts are highly appreciated and you might send me pm as soon as you like to use some of my stuff for the 71 season.

The car in the pics you asked is a Matra MS 120B in two different aero variations.

The Ferrari 312B and B2 will be converted also?

If so the 71 grid seems to be complete. Yes nerds - the Lotus 56B with its jet-turbine by Pratt+Whitney is missing - but do we want to drive it Rolling Eyes

Best regards

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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Wed 25 Jan 2012, 11:43 pm

streckensau wrote:
Hi Soze,

you are doing EXTREMELY WELL Very Happy

I´m quite stunned how fast you cut through that gmt and cas stuff... hats off for your apparent big talent on this. At F1C the modders did nearly every skin or mostly the whole car with different wings, body parts and driversuits that raced that season so it is lots of work just like you mentioned to get the parts together - that´s a good part where and even more why I´m stuck with the 75 season cars. But apart from the vast variety of the grid - yes the data is heavy on the hardware with a full grid Razz It takes even some loading time to get the choosen car viewed in the showroom.

'apparent big talent on this'? Embarassed No, no. my secret are the lots and lots of hours I dedicate to this. I can do only a few things and I'll prove it to you in shortly, when I start asking you for help. However, I'll help you with the things I can actually do. That, for sure Very Happy

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So your efforts are highly appreciated and you might send me pm as soon as you like to use some of my stuff for the 71 season.

I'm writing it just when I post this response Very Happy

streckensau wrote:
The car in the pics you asked is a Matra MS 120B in two different aero variations.

Thanks for the intel Very Happy. The nº 19 appears to be the high downforce version of the MS120B. I guess it could have raced on slower tracks. I will look into it.

streckensau wrote:
The Ferrari 312B and B2 will be converted also?

They were the very first models I figured out but I'm very possible to have made a mistake choosing the body and/or wings. I wasn't familiar with the file structure or naming by then. I need to seek for pictures of them before I redo the conversions. Of every model, actually, because when this thing is finally released I want it to reflect the authentic 1971 Formula 1 grids. We're lucky because almost all this info is easily accessible.

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If so the 71 grid seems to be complete. Yes nerds - the Lotus 56B with its jet-turbine by Pratt+Whitney is missing - but do we want to drive it Rolling Eyes

Hell, I was thinking of that very same model just last night Laughing Laughing Laughing

I did a search on the wipipedia and this is what I took from there (the number is the race, no matter if the car was diqualified or DNS):

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Brabham Motor Racing Developments Ltd:

Graham Hill:

- Brabham BT33 Ford: 1

- Brabham BT34 Ford: 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11


Dave Charlton:

- Brabham BT33 Ford: 1


Tim Schenken:

- Brabham BT33 Ford: 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11

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Ecurie Evergreen:

Chris Craft:

- Brabham BT33 Ford: 10 - 11

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Team Gunston:

Jackie Pretorius:

- Brabham BT26A Ford: 1


John Love:

- March 701 Ford: 1

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Yardley Team BRM:

Pedro Rodríguez:

- BRM P160: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5


Jo Siffert:

- BRM P153: 1

- BRM P160: 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11


Howden Ganley:

- BRM P153: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7

- BRM P160: 8 - 9 - 10 - 11


Vic Elford:

- BRM P160: 7


Helmut Marko:

- BRM P153: 8 - 9 - 10

- BRM P160: 11


Peter Gethin:

- BRM P160: 8 - 9 - 10 - 11


George Eaton:

- BRM P160: 10


John Cannon:

- BRM P153: 11


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Scuderia Ferrari SpA SEFAC:

Jacky Ickx:

- Ferrari 312 B: 1 - 2 - 9

- Ferrari 312 B2: 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 10 - 11


Clay Regazzoni:

- Ferrari 312 B: 1 - 2

- Ferrari 312 B2: 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11


Mario Andretti:

- Ferrari 312 B: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4

- Ferrari 312 B2: 7 - 10

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Pete Lovely Volkswagen Inc:

Pete Lovely:

- Lotus 69 Ford: 10 - 11

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Gold Leaf Team Lotus:

Emerson Fittipaldi:

- Lotus 72C Ford: 1 - 2

- Lotus 56B Pratt & Whitney: 9

- Lotus 72D Ford: 3 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 10 - 11


Reine Wisell:

- Lotus 72C Ford: 1 - 2 - 3

- Lotus 56B Pratt & Whitney: 9

- Lotus 72D Ford: 4 - 5 - 7 - 8 - 10 - 11


David Walker:

- Lotus 56B Pratt & Whitney: 4


Dave Charlton:

- Lotus 72D Ford: 6

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STP March Racing Team:

Ronnie Peterson:

- March 711 Ford: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 10 - 11

- March 711 Alfa Romeo: 5


Andrea de Adamich:

- March 711 Alfa Romeo: 1 - 2 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 9 - 11


Alex Soler-Roig:

- March 711 Ford: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5


Nanni Galli:

- March 711 Alfa Romeo: 3 - 4 - 7 - 8

- March 711 Ford: 6 - 9 - 10 - 11


Niki Lauda:

- March 711 Ford: 8


Mike Beuttler:

- March 701 Ford: 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 (Clarke-Mordaunt-Guthrie Racing)

- March 711 Ford: 10

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Equipe Matra Sports:

Chris Amon:

- Matra MS120B: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 9 - 10 - 11


Jean-Pierre Beltoise:

- Matra MS120B: 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 10 - 11

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Bruce McLaren Motor Racing:

Denny Hulme:

- McLaren M19A Ford: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 10 - 11


Peter Gethin:

- McLaren M14A Ford: 1 - 2 - 3

- McLaren M19A Ford: 4 - 5 - 6 - 7


Jackie Oliver:

- McLaren M14A Ford: 6 - 9

- McLaren M19A Ford: 8

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Ecurie Bonnier:

Joakim Bonnier:

- McLaren M7C Ford: 1 - 7 - 9 - 11

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Penske-White Racing:

Mark Donohue:

- McLaren M19A Ford: 10 - 11


David Hobbs:

- McLaren M19A Ford: 11

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Brooke Bond Oxo Team Surtees:

John Surtees:

- Surtees TS9 Ford: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11


Rolf Stommelen:

- Surtees TS7 Ford: 1

- Surtees TS9 Ford: 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 10


Brian Redman:

- Surtees TS7 Ford: 1


Derek Bell:

- Surtees TS9 Ford: 6


Mike Hailwood:

- Surtees TS9 Ford: 11


Sam Posey:

- Surtees TS9 Ford: 11


Gijs van Lennep:

- Surtees TS7 Ford: 4

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Elf Team Tyrrell:

Jackie Stewart:

- Tyrrell 001 Ford: 1

- Tyrrell 003 Ford: 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11


François Cevert:

- Tyrrell 002 Ford: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11


Peter Revson:

- Tyrrell 001 Ford: 11

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Frank Williams Racing Cars:

Henri Pescarolo:

- March 701 Ford: 1

- March 711 Ford: 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 11


Max Jean:

- March 701 Ford: 5

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When I did this last night I was pretty sleepy so there might be some teams left, but this is the model I want to follow to do the final grids if the cars are available.

Embarassed Sorry for the long post.
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Thu 26 Jan 2012, 2:26 am

I wouldn't mind driving the turbine, since you're making starting grids accurate, it NEEDS to be included. Thanx in advance.
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Sat 28 Jan 2012, 12:13 am

Hold that thanx, just for a minute Wink

I want to do this thing the most accurate possible, but I can't create a car from scratch yet. Even if I could model at all, I'd need to be a GREAT modeler and skinner to match these amazing models. You'll see it when this mod is finally released, they're gorgeous. The snapshots I take don't make these cars any justice.

About the 56B, well, it is not our biggest problem here. Even without leaving Lotus, it's far worse the case of the 72D (we have the 72C). Emerson Fittipaldi raced that car in every race that year but in South Africa and Spain. Reine Wisell raced the 72C in just three races. That leaves us a hole of 8 races without a single Lotus on track, if we are accurate. Suddenly, the 56B doesn't look so important anymore, does it?

I'm redoing all the .cas files now. The goals would be making the mod less fps hungry (the thing has really changed, but for what I've seen so far I wouldn't expect a miracle here...), reviewing the front and rear wing configurations, setting up a new genstring and enhancing the shadows. But also, the seek for new skins. I've found a couple of them so far.

The wing shadow dissappear if the wing is not present:





The same for the wheels:







By now, the reviewed cars are the Brabham BT33 and BT34, Gunston Brabham BT26, Gunston March 701, BRM P153 and P160, Ferrari 312 B and 312 B2, Lotus 69 and 72, March Alfa Romeo and March Ford. They all are pretty lighter now, but still too heavy when they come in big numbers.

I'll keep working on the mod this weekend.
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Sat 28 Jan 2012, 5:01 pm

I hope you have good luck this weekend Soze m8... 'tis looking very nice indeedy Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Mon 30 Jan 2012, 10:06 pm

Thank you, GeeDee Very Happy

WIP Status:

This weekend I couldn't work in the mod as much as I'd liked, but:

- All the new .cas files are done and the grids are chosen now.

- The Gallery's been updated: http://profile.imageshack.us/user/soze_wips

I'll begin the cockpits this week:

- Streckensau - I sent you a private on friday. Did you recieve it?
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Mon 30 Jan 2012, 11:52 pm

Great stuff Soze. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Tue 31 Jan 2012, 4:20 pm

Every picture I look at makes me realize (again) that I was born 20-30 years to late.
Great work, Soze!!
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Thu 02 Feb 2012, 2:03 pm

Thank you very much.That is great work!
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PostSubject: Re: convert F1 1971 mod for GTL   Sat 04 Feb 2012, 10:28 am

Thank you for your support, gentlemen Very Happy

I couldn't work in the mod this week (I've been busy with some offline issues), but I've managed to convert the first cockpit:

- Ferrari 312 B







- As you can see, There's a problem with the mirrors, which reflect the pilot, and the fuel cockpit doesn't work. Also, I believe that the wheel is too little or the arms are too open. Anybody knows if the pilot arms can be more closed?

- Streckensau never answered to my email, so I guess he's out of the project.

- I'm sorry for not having better news, people Sad
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