Cars, Skins and Tracks for GTL/GTR2
 
HomeFAQSearchRegisterLog inDonate
Donate
Support

Evolution Modding


or to Hubert-1@gmx.de

COSTS PER YEAR: 150€
Donated: 45€

Google
Top posters
GeeDee
 
ney.dias
 
MOF
 
jeannomiller
 
joeschmoe
 
MG421982
 
nikbear
 
alain62
 
deep-strike
 
lauter
 

Share | 
 

 Cars don't come out of the pits

Go down 
AuthorMessage
Uncomman

avatar

Anzahl der Beiträge : 140
Anmeldedatum : 2018-08-28
Alter : 63
Ort : Up the road from Kyalami

PostSubject: Cars don't come out of the pits   Thu 13 Sep 2018, 3:50 pm

Can anyone tell me why, in certain classes, for example with me it's for 1300 cc cars, many (about 15-20 depending on the track) never come out of the pits during practice or qualifying? The cars in question all seem to be either Alfa Juniors or Escort BDAs.

I figured it must be a setting in the mods somewhere.
Back to top Go down
jghinkle



Anzahl der Beiträge : 33
Anmeldedatum : 2010-09-04

PostSubject: Re: Cars don't come out of the pits   Thu 13 Sep 2018, 10:21 pm

Is it all of a particular model or just some?
Back to top Go down
Uncomman

avatar

Anzahl der Beiträge : 140
Anmeldedatum : 2018-08-28
Alter : 63
Ort : Up the road from Kyalami

PostSubject: Re: Cars don't come out of the pits   Fri 14 Sep 2018, 3:25 am

I did a number of tests to try to find a common denominator. It's inconsistent, but most of the time it's the Alfa GTA junior, The 1300 BDA Escort, the Alfa GTV 2.0 and the Toyota 1600. Occassionally, because I tested on many tracks, one of the GTVs comes out but the BDAs never do.

I have looked at the .hdc and .cas files and can see nothing that would prevent them from coming out. I don't have this problem with any other classes, just the 2 litres and 1300s.
Back to top Go down
Muddie7272

avatar

Anzahl der Beiträge : 192
Anmeldedatum : 2015-01-26

PostSubject: Re: Cars don't come out of the pits   Fri 14 Sep 2018, 10:22 am

Hey Guys!

As a passionate offline Racer and a fan of the TC-65 Class in GTL it is and was a problem that bothers me as long as i play this game. I recherched on many platforms and must consider. There is no really smart solution for this problem. In the first time i bumped the cars with my car out of the Pits. I gained the Qualification time and select the view in the Monitor to one, where you can see the Brakelights. Then i change the Cars. If the Brakelights are out, the AI tries to come with this Car out of Pits. Now hurry up. Take your Car, drive behind the Car which tries to pit out and push it. Its a busy Job when half the Field tries to Pit out at the same time, and i think you must capitulate when you try it with a Ford Falcon on a track like the original Spa Track with its narrow Pit Garages.
The second Solution, a little bit smarter, is to manipulate the .eng-file with the Program "Toms Engine Shop v1.2". You must rise the Power for the lower rpm-values up to ca. 2000rpm. A good track to test the Pitout Quality of your Car is Nürburgring Müllenbach. If they comes out there, they comes out of Pit on nearly all tracks. In my BMW700RS Mod it was important for me, that the Cars go successful through this Test. The Engine Curves looks like this now:



I think i have also manipulated the values of "IdleRPMLogic" and "LaunchRPMLogic", but i did not exactly know, what i have done with this Values. I have Bookmarked a Site on NoGrip for later studies, but, well, its away.

If anybody has a better solution. Please Tell us. Highly requested!

Greetings
Muddie
Back to top Go down
Uncomman

avatar

Anzahl der Beiträge : 140
Anmeldedatum : 2018-08-28
Alter : 63
Ort : Up the road from Kyalami

PostSubject: Re: Cars don't come out of the pits   Fri 14 Sep 2018, 11:09 am

Thanks Muddie

Surely you mean increase the torque, not the power? The red is the power and you have raised the torque below 2000 rpm. I tried it, right up to 80 on the BDH, and it made no difference. Any idea how "IdleRPMLogic" and "LaunchRPMLogic" were changed?
Back to top Go down
jeannomiller
Admin
avatar

Anzahl der Beiträge : 1964
Anmeldedatum : 2010-06-22
Ort : Germany

PostSubject: Re: Cars don't come out of the pits   Fri 14 Sep 2018, 11:43 am

Muddie7272 wrote:
In the first time i bumped the cars with my car out of the Pits.

I still do this all the time Laughing

Have to check whether only addon cars are concerned.

_________________
So long.

Jeannomiller
Back to top Go down
Uncomman

avatar

Anzahl der Beiträge : 140
Anmeldedatum : 2018-08-28
Alter : 63
Ort : Up the road from Kyalami

PostSubject: Re: Cars don't come out of the pits   Fri 14 Sep 2018, 4:53 pm

I finally got most of the cars to come out, depending on the track, GPC Kyalami being the most difficult.

Muddie's solution helped in most cases but for example the BDA's had an absurd launch rev range of 8000-9000 rpm; at those revs you will get either too much wheelspin or you will cook the clutch. I reduced it to 5000-7000 and the BDA's go out all the time. The Mini 1275's are proving more difficult to fix, but I will work it out.

Thanks again Muddie!
Back to top Go down
0fflabeluse



Anzahl der Beiträge : 98
Anmeldedatum : 2015-01-08

PostSubject: Re: Cars don't come out of the pits   Fri 14 Sep 2018, 9:03 pm

Common problem with ISI engines, some cars are unable to get of the spot with their wheels fully turned in. Part physix problem, part AIW problem. I seem to recall the issue is less likely to appear when the garage spot is a little further away from the pit lane path
Back to top Go down
Uncomman

avatar

Anzahl der Beiträge : 140
Anmeldedatum : 2018-08-28
Alter : 63
Ort : Up the road from Kyalami

PostSubject: Re: Cars don't come out of the pits   Sat 15 Sep 2018, 10:04 am

From the 'File Modding in GTL' pdf tutorial:

"LaunchRPMLogic= (x000.0, x000.0)
This very important. The first number should be the rpm where the torque really picks up (normally
at around 4000rpm) and the second number should be about 2000rpm higher. This is where all the
trouble with add-on cars failing to leave the garage comes in."

Yup. Makes perfect sense.

Back to top Go down
GeeDee
Premium Member
Premium Member
avatar

Anzahl der Beiträge : 3531
Anmeldedatum : 2010-06-23
Alter : 69
Ort : 1 hour from Croft and enough distance from Rick & Ney

PostSubject: Re: Cars don't come out of the pits   Sun 16 Sep 2018, 3:12 am

Perhaps making the turning radius of the car smaller in the HDC would mean they get out of narrow pits easier clown
Back to top Go down
Uncomman

avatar

Anzahl der Beiträge : 140
Anmeldedatum : 2018-08-28
Alter : 63
Ort : Up the road from Kyalami

PostSubject: Re: Cars don't come out of the pits   Sun 16 Sep 2018, 9:59 am

Yes GeeDee In noticed, when looking at all the cars not going out from different views, that they all have the steering pointed to one side, locked at the furthest they can turn.

But when I looked at the settings, they were all set the same, as were all the cars that consistently go out.

SteerLockRange=(5.0, 0.5, 60)
SteerLockSetting=20

It's the worst at GPC Kyalami, I am now getting almost all to go out on most tracks, except a few stragglers, and never the same cars, which I am thinking means it depends on which pit or area they are parked in. I will fiddle with SLS and see...

Thanks!
Back to top Go down
Uncomman

avatar

Anzahl der Beiträge : 140
Anmeldedatum : 2018-08-28
Alter : 63
Ort : Up the road from Kyalami

PostSubject: Re: Cars don't come out of the pits   Sun 16 Sep 2018, 12:37 pm

Wel I tried everything; between the engine torque settings, steer lock and range, I am still no closer. This only happens with cars of less than 2 litre capacity so I do suspect the engine torque but it seems to make no consistent difference and on some tracks, like Brands Hatch for example, half the field does not exit the pits.

And I am not going to go around bumping cars out of the pits. There has to be an explanation: why do original cars with even smaller engine capacity get out of the pits okay?
Back to top Go down
lusso

avatar

Anzahl der Beiträge : 36
Anmeldedatum : 2013-03-21
Ort : crossing Central Europe on a bike

PostSubject: Re: Cars don't come out of the pits   Mon 17 Sep 2018, 5:13 pm

just to find the reason, swap the engine file with one of a big volume car
if the problem will disappear, increase torque of the original one below IdleRev (or decrease backtorque)
Back to top Go down
GeeDee
Premium Member
Premium Member
avatar

Anzahl der Beiträge : 3531
Anmeldedatum : 2010-06-23
Alter : 69
Ort : 1 hour from Croft and enough distance from Rick & Ney

PostSubject: Re: Cars don't come out of the pits   Mon 17 Sep 2018, 9:24 pm

Decrease pit limiter speed?
Back to top Go down
Uncomman

avatar

Anzahl der Beiträge : 140
Anmeldedatum : 2018-08-28
Alter : 63
Ort : Up the road from Kyalami

PostSubject: Re: Cars don't come out of the pits   Tue 18 Sep 2018, 5:35 am

Sheesh so many good suggestions, thanks guys. After the reinstall today, and after I have added back all the mods one by one, I will try those out, because I think the problem will return. Will let you know how it went.
Back to top Go down
0fflabeluse



Anzahl der Beiträge : 98
Anmeldedatum : 2015-01-08

PostSubject: Re: Cars don't come out of the pits   Sat 29 Sep 2018, 9:51 pm

Have you tested if it just happens on certain tracks or all?
Back to top Go down
Uncomman

avatar

Anzahl der Beiträge : 140
Anmeldedatum : 2018-08-28
Alter : 63
Ort : Up the road from Kyalami

PostSubject: Re: Cars don't come out of the pits   Sun 30 Sep 2018, 12:00 am

Yes, as I said, "I finally got most of the cars to come out, depending on the track, GPC Kyalami being the most difficult."

It's still the MIni 1275s and now the Lancia Stratos (?!) that consistently won't come out. I have not focused on this again though, too much else going on, but GPC Kyalami and Mullenbach are the worst
Back to top Go down
0fflabeluse



Anzahl der Beiträge : 98
Anmeldedatum : 2015-01-08

PostSubject: Re: Cars don't come out of the pits   Sun 30 Sep 2018, 9:50 pm

I guessed so, yeah. As mentioned before, its probably more of an AIW problem, I remember that problem when I was working for a modding team, but as I was never really into track building and AIW editing, so I can't really offer an solution. A pointer is, that the cars on the affected tracks fully turn their wheels when trying to leave the pits, which seems to cause to much friction from the tires for the engine to overcome. Kyalami has an extremely tight pit lane, IIRC?
Back to top Go down
Uncomman

avatar

Anzahl der Beiträge : 140
Anmeldedatum : 2018-08-28
Alter : 63
Ort : Up the road from Kyalami

PostSubject: Re: Cars don't come out of the pits   Mon 01 Oct 2018, 5:54 am

0fflabeluse wrote:
A pointer is, that the cars on the affected tracks fully turn their wheels when trying to leave the pits, which seems to cause to much friction from the tires for the engine to overcome. Kyalami has an extremely tight pit lane, IIRC?

Yes that is exactly the issue, I see that when changing views on the cars that are stuck. Changing the engine torque at low revs helps in some cases but I still have these few cars that I cannot get to leave some pits no matter what I do.
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content




PostSubject: Re: Cars don't come out of the pits   

Back to top Go down
 
Cars don't come out of the pits
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1
 Similar topics
-
» longshot - Looking for plastic road set for hotwheels cars

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
Evolution Modding :: Racing Simulations :: GTL-
Jump to: