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rickoshea

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PostSubject: Car Classes & Missmatches    Sun 28 Oct 2012, 12:18 pm

I don't know if anyone else suffers from this problem,
but every car i like in all the classes cannot compete with the others..

For example- TC class, isuzu bellet, mk2 jag, i love these cars,
but they get their asses kicked by alfa's & cortina's..

GTC class, AM DB4 & E type, nice cars, slow as F**K Rolling Eyes

Now the Maserati 300, 10secs a lap slower than the 450 & 16secs
slower than the birdtable??

WTF... we need to- "Level the Playing Field" pirat

Maybe have a new - "Dog Slow" class for all the Mongrels Rolling Eyes
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ney.dias

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PostSubject: Re: Car Classes & Missmatches    Sun 28 Oct 2012, 12:33 pm

With me, for example, even if I changed the engine in 300S (I'm using another kind of Maserati stronger engine), this car remain so much slower than always, comparing with 450S. Sad Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Car Classes & Missmatches    Sun 28 Oct 2012, 2:03 pm

Of the basic idea, I agree with you. Smile
If for example look at the real technical data of the two Maserati, one must realize that there are already major differences.

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/292/Maserati-300S.html

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/535/Maserati-450S.html

I created a new file for the ENG 300S (272HP @ 6500rpm / 314Nm @ 5000rpm)
but there are time differences to the 450S. Rolling Eyes
In Bremgarten54 there are still about 6 seconds, and are in LeMans60 20Sekunden approx. Neutral
Sure, we could adjust by changing the power the vehicles, but it really makes sense?
Then already rather a new class for the slower vehicles, ensure fair competition can take place.
It's no fun when the car looks great and it only runs behind.
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PostSubject: Re: Car Classes & Missmatches    Mon 29 Oct 2012, 10:03 am

deep-strike wrote:

Sure, we could adjust by changing the power the vehicles, but it really makes sense?
Then already rather a new class for the slower vehicles, ensure fair competition can take place.
It's no fun when the car looks great and it only runs behind.

I agree with Deep-Strike. Differences between some cars must stay as they were.
We are driving sim and not arcade. Wink
It's the reason why i prefer to choose the cars with GTL_Xcars : there is a ratio weight/power for each mod/car in this program.
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PostSubject: Re: Car Classes & Missmatches    Mon 29 Oct 2012, 2:43 pm

As MG had to use a Mercedes 300SL engine in this Mod, my option was used some engine more close to real car (and this engine used by MG is very, very close to real car!!), and i had an old one in my HD (3.0-litre , approx 245 bhp (183 kW) at 6200 rpm) , used also in T61 Bircage. Obviously is much less powered of 450S, as indicated its project! I only try to be
closer than real car, and, as i had this engine in my HD, was easy to change!
But I agree, as we have a simulator and not a arcade game, we have to use physics as close to real car as possible!
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PostSubject: Re: Car Classes & Missmatches    Mon 29 Oct 2012, 6:46 pm

I think the main problem is to get correct technical data of vehicles.
Many different information can be found on many Internet sites.
But which is correct?
And there it begins to find a reasonable compromise.
If you find original data on the manufacturers page this should be the right, what else?

ney.dias wrote:

But I agree, as we have a simulator and not a arcade game, we have to use physics as close to real car as possible!

And that's what makes it so exciting. Very Happy cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Car Classes & Missmatches    Tue 30 Oct 2012, 2:19 am

Ney, my Birdcage kicks the 450's ass??

Tried it several times at Watkins Glen & it's 7secs a lap quicker??
Will have to try it against the db2 ect..
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PostSubject: Re: Car Classes & Missmatches    Tue 30 Oct 2012, 2:48 am

rickoshea wrote:
Ney, my Birdcage kicks the 450's ass??

Tried it several times at Watkins Glen & it's 7secs a lap quicker??
Will have to try it against the db2 ect..
Maybe some brasilian pepper in the fuel??
Remember to check your tyres! Probably you have ones with incredible grip, as I have! Try to change it, so!! But it's very quick! Remember it's a WIP yet! cheers lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Car Classes & Missmatches    Tue 30 Oct 2012, 10:32 am

Quote :
Ney said to Rick the Pirate: pirat
"Remember it's a WIP yet!"

Pirates like WHIPS me hearties!!! pirat clown
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PostSubject: Re: Car Classes & Missmatches    Tue 30 Oct 2012, 12:40 pm

GeeDee wrote:
Quote :
Ney said to Rick the Pirate: pirat
"Remember it's a WIP yet!"

Pirates like WHIPS me hearties!!! pirat clown
My good friend "Google translator" couldn't find any translation to "WHIPS"!!!!
Can you, Gee, once more, give a help to me, please?
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PostSubject: Re: Car Classes & Missmatches    Tue 30 Oct 2012, 2:28 pm

Tut tut Ney, your Google Translator must be a very old one or even a cheap version as my Google Translator came up with 'chicotes' in Portuguese at the speed of sound!!!!!

This is a wikipedia page on the subject of whips:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whip

Now you will understand my fine Brazil Nut!

Geegle... your friendly translator clown
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PostSubject: Re: Car Classes & Missmatches    Tue 30 Oct 2012, 3:28 pm

Question Suspect The pirates generally, when they're alone, use their whips to self-harm because they like to suffer, feel braver! Rick , for example, might self-flagellate every day! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Car Classes & Missmatches    Wed 31 Oct 2012, 2:11 am

Something will get the "Cat o Nine's" that's for sure,

As i installed the new P&G yesterday, immediately after all my icons turned
to- Win 95 style, so i left it to get some dinner, upon my return every time
i fired up my pc i was greeted with the "Blue Screen" of death Sad

So, i've now had to fit my spare C: drive in, but have lost about 25 tracks i
was working on, also the fix for Gordon's Maserati Wheels..

Thanks P&G Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: Car Classes & Missmatches    Wed 31 Oct 2012, 3:49 am

Ouch Rick Sad that's a right kick in the guts Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: Car Classes & Missmatches    Wed 31 Oct 2012, 11:04 am


That does not sound good Rick ... Sad

Shit happens ! Wink pirat

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PostSubject: Re: Car Classes & Missmatches    Wed 31 Oct 2012, 2:16 pm

rickoshea wrote:
Something will get the "Cat o Nine's" that's for sure,

As i installed the new P&G yesterday, immediately after all my icons turned
to- Win 95 style, so i left it to get some dinner, upon my return every time
i fired up my pc i was greeted with the "Blue Screen" of death Sad

So, i've now had to fit my spare C: drive in, but have lost about 25 tracks i
was working on, also the fix for Gordon's Maserati Wheels..

Thanks P&G Evil or Very Mad

It's the ghost of Black Beard come back ta haunt thee Rick... ya should never have taken his wooden leg and stuffed his parrot and sank his good ship the Black Pig... arghhhhhhh!!

Hope you can get things sorted me old hearty.

Cap'n GeeString pirat
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PostSubject: Re: Car Classes & Missmatches    Wed 31 Oct 2012, 2:44 pm

Aaarrrgghh - bad luck.

Had no problems at all with dl and install of P&G V3.
DL in less than 30 minutes via rapidshare link and
install as recommended by GTL-Workshop-team.

Hope you will be back soon in full extent Smile


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So long.

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PostSubject: Re: Car Classes & Missmatches    Wed 31 Oct 2012, 4:16 pm

GeeDee wrote:

It's the ghost of Black Beard come back ta haunt thee Rick... ya should never have taken his wooden leg and stuffed his parrot and sank his good ship the Black Pig... arghhhhhhh!!

I thought the Black Pig was Pugwash's ship? LoL
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PostSubject: Re: Car Classes & Missmatches    Wed 31 Oct 2012, 4:38 pm

CX650 wrote:
GeeDee wrote:

It's the ghost of Black Beard come back ta haunt thee Rick... ya should never have taken his wooden leg and stuffed his parrot and sank his good ship the Black Pig... arghhhhhhh!!

I thought the Black Pig was Pugwash's ship? LoL

Yup, your exactly right CX.

I should have said Queen Anne's Revenge which was launched in 1710 as Concord.
Captured: By France in 1711
Renamed: La Concorde in 1711
Captured: By Benjamin Hornigold and Blackbeard in 1717
Renamed: Queen Anne's Revenge in 1717
Fate: Run aground in 1718 near Beaufort Inlet, North Carolina
2012: Sunk by Rickoshea the old sea dawg when he relieved himself on deck!!

Ooooh arghhhhhhhhh lad!

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PostSubject: Re: Car Classes & Missmatches    Thu 01 Nov 2012, 12:13 am

You forgot the Mutiny started by Seaman Staines lol!

I think that the P&G install i did & my pc's demise was just a Coinkydink Rolling Eyes

Had a chat with Duckfreak just to inform him of my "untimely" issue,
& no-one else has reported this fault..

So, i think we'll put this down to what the GI's called- "FUBAR" Wink
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