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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 9:56 am

They tried many spot positions i have found

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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 10:01 am

To be honest I prefer your choice, car looks more streamlined and neat.
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 10:24 am

Aramid/Henry uploaded some modified skins at NoGrip years ago with spotlights on top of the hood (found them yesterday on my HD).
Can/will upload these over at RaceDepartment (https://www.racedepartment.com/) when I'm at home.

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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 10:45 am

Link to both cars  resized and added No plate to30, made other changes to skin tidied up door elipses.
No time to test so hopefully ok.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/0dl77brs82705aa/porsche904skins.rar/file


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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 12:11 pm

Thanks philrob no problem I will test

Was just thinking: how difficult would it be to have both options for the spotlights, after all both no29 and no30 had the spots on the bonnet at Le Mans 64?
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 12:16 pm

jeannomiller wrote:
Aramid/Henry uploaded some modified skins at NoGrip years ago with spotlights on top of the hood (found them yesterday on my HD).
Can/will upload these over at RaceDepartment (https://www.racedepartment.com/) when I'm at home.

Thanks jeannomiller, perhaps Muddie can use those to give us another option for those who prefer the spots on the bonnet.
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 12:24 pm

philrob wrote:
Link to both cars  resized and added No plate to30, made other changes to skin tidied up door elipses.
No time to test so hopefully ok.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/03i4ab856siau6n/GTL_904skins_V2_0.zip/file

philrob am I losing it, this zip has the original mod and some sound files I have not seen before, but no 29 and 30?
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 12:28 pm

no your not losing it lol but i think i am, i will have to slow down.I will repack 2 skins and repost.
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 12:32 pm

new link to both skins, i think

https://www.mediafire.com/file/0dl77brs82705aa/porsche904skins.rar/file
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 12:37 pm

Yes perfect thanks but actually your initial mistake was beneficial, there are some Spyder .wavs in there that we need, so it's all good!
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 1:25 pm

All looks good thanks, here is the view from behind no30



Hate to be a nitpicker, but it's TJ26, not TJ24 (sorry!)
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 1:26 pm

Sound is not working, I must have screwed up somewhere, back to the drawing board...

Sorted. After being very careful to specify the path, I then put the files in the wrong place. Dumbass. You would think a systems analyst and programmer would know better. Sheesh.

Having looked more carefully at the other .aud files for the 904-4 and 904-6 I see that the spyder wavs were used for the 904-4 which makes sense, so I have used the 906-8 wavs only for the engine sounds and left the backfire and shift sounds as is.
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 4:15 pm

Uncomman wrote:
Done!

I know there is still some cosmetic work to be done, and some issues that need finalising, but the mod (can I call it that? It's really a modification of a mod) is ready for testing/checking.

Any volunteers? I am also testing but it needs to be tested independently.

The issues:

1. The fuel tank size, which was 70 litres in the original mod but all the sources I have found say it's 110 litres

110 litres complies with the max allowed fuel capacity for a sub 2l car according to Appendix C and J, and doing some rough measurements on a 1/25 Monogram kit suggests that 110 litres to be realistic. If you consider the 904 was designed bearing racing in mind, it doesn't make sense to fit a smaller fuel tank, because as a GT, the car had to use the tank size as stated in the homologation form, given it is smaller than the max allowed fuel tank size

Uncomman wrote:
Okay I replaced the genstring with the original, and the number plate is visible but it looks like it's too tall, the letters should be shorter?


Looks a bit like an US-sized license plate?
(Is apparently sorted, was still reading through the thread while typing)

Uncomman wrote:
A question on file structure/location: In this instance, we have a special audio file for these two cars, and normally .AUD files go in the mod's main folder, but if I put it in the car folders, i.e. 29_8 and 30_8, will the game look for the .AUD file there or MUST it be in the main mod folder?

I have not seen another instance in which different cars in the same mod had different sounds.

Drop the AUD-file in the car's main folder (make sure it is differently named than the AUD-files for the orig Carrera GTS and 904/6 variety) and refer to it in the CAR-file
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 4:32 pm

Not sure i agree on the rear number plate the Spark model shows what you suggest, but this poor pic to my eyes anyway shows a 4
you will have to zoom in and screw your eyes up:



https://www.mediafire.com/view/1d628brcm468689/224-64LM-41.jpg/file

interesting site:
http://www.carreragtsclub.com/porsche-904-chassis-number-history-t123.html
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 4:49 pm

Thanks for the info regarding the homologation parameters, Offlabeluse, I was not aware that this was the case, To tell the truth I did not look up the homologation criteria, Interesting!

I managed to work out that putting the .aud file in the root folder of the mod is the only way to get it to work. I was hoping the shortcut I mentioned would work (would have made the folder structure when the mod is released simpler) but it's not an obstacle.
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 4:57 pm

Uncomman wrote:
Thanks for the info regarding the homologation parameters, Offlabeluse, I was not aware that this was the case, To tell the truth I did not look up the homologation criteria, Interesting!

Bit of an hobby of me. I always wanted to design race cars. Didn't happen, as math is not my best friend, but that doesn't mean one can't create designs according to old rulebooks from plastic and polies. cyclops That's why I have all the stuff I can get my hands on saved to my HD study
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 5:01 pm

philrob I tried everything to make that picture clearer; very grainy, but I have to agree with you, it does look more like a 4.
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 5:08 pm

Me again!

Found more Spotlight Versions:

https://barchetta.mediacenter.pro/Automobiles/-/Porsche/904/904-069/?pg=0&v=a&dir=2164295&rd=1964537&i=1963021

https://barchetta.mediacenter.pro/-/Events-by-Year-Auction-Concours-News-Race-Rally-etc/2010-2019/2016/Racing/Le-Mans-Classic/Le-Mans-Classic-PS/08-Grid-4/?pg=0&v=a&dir=2236911&rd=1964532&i=3036095

And then the Id-Light used for the 904/8-Cars, but i think on some others, too:

https://barchetta.mediacenter.pro/-/Events-by-Year-Auction-Concours-News-Race-Rally-etc/2010-2019/2015/Auction/Gooding/03-Pebble-Beach/07-Lot-by-Lot/07.1-Day-1/Lot-056-1964-Porsche-904-Carrera-GTS/?pg=0&v=a&dir=2189769&rd=1964532&i=2735688

To the original Spotlights for the 904/8 i talked about earlier. Maybe these are the same lights used on Philrobs #33. The yellow ones with another Position, then these are Hella-Lights. Look here:

https://barchetta.mediacenter.pro/-/Events-by-Year-Auction-Concours-News-Race-Rally-etc/2010-2019/2011/Festival/Porsche-Rennsport-Reunion-IV-PS/Gallery-02-Paddock-1/?pg=0&i=1849868&v=a&dir=2011809&rd=1964532

Details of the Fixing were nice. Does anyone know something?

BTW:





How could they do this, this bloody thugs!
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 5:27 pm

According to the data on racingsportscars, chassis #008 (the '64 Davies/Mitter car) was linked to the license plate S-TJ 24 Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 5:44 pm

Thanks for all these photos and info guys, this thread is moving along nice now.
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Tue 23 Oct 2018, 5:06 am

Thanks Muddie

The ID light seems to have been very inconsistent as an installation. I scrolled down a long way on Google images and it appears on models but not on actual cars very often.

https://www.google.com/search?q=porsche+904+gts+number+30+le+mans+1964&client=firefox-b-ab&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi0wNmK15veAhXsDsAKHbgZA-AQsAR6BAgFEAE&biw=1462&bih=797

Regarding the spotlights, if its possible via the genstring (which I still don't fully understand), for me first prize would be to have all the options available but in the case of #29 and #30, have the spotlights on the bonnet because that is the way they were at Le Mans in 1964. That way, there is authenticity and convenience.

Intend to do icons today, and hoping for someone to do biks (I will do them if necessary)
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Tue 23 Oct 2018, 3:53 pm

Icons. Probably have to redo when the spots on the bonnet are done.



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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Tue 23 Oct 2018, 6:49 pm

Nice to see you learning so fast Uncomman----the Porsche 904 is a perfect example of torque versus horsepower. the 904 4 cylinder has 148@ 5000, the 904-6 has 140@ 6000 and the 904-8 has 151@6700.

After doing the physics the 904-4 is only 1 second slower than the 904-6 and only 4 seconds slower than the 904-8 using Sebring 12H as the track. The extra weight and torque make the differences smaller than I thought they would be.

I remember that I did the physics for the Ferrari 860 Monza using the 250 testa rossa as a base--the 860 has a very large 4 cylinder with huge torque in comparison to the Ferrari V12----it's a torque monster with incredible acceleration, it was faster than the testa rossa but couldn't sustain or survive over-revving in real life.

A bit off-topic but I hope it's a little interesting.

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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Wed 24 Oct 2018, 6:58 am

Yup WHIPCRACKER testing has been very interesting. This comparatives are consistent with the 3 versions' performance on high speed tracks where the 904-8 would have a larger advantage. At Brands Hatch, however, they are far closer:



(These cars are not in a single class, just cars I am testing for various reasons)

The 904-4 produces its torque at lower revs, so its more punchy on a track where the straights are short, and the effect is that they are all within 2 seconds of each other.

I remember when I was racing, we could get close to the Ducatis by the end of the straights, but even if we competed well under brakes (difficult because their brakes were so good) and stayed with them in the turns, they just left us coming out of the bends, the combination of two big pots (Dukes were twins) and the long stroke making them impossible to stay with. My 4-cyl Kawasaki developed most of its torque and power at high revs and we made it up by the end of the straights, but they had to be long straights. In the short stuff, high torque at low revs is better.
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Wed 24 Oct 2018, 2:45 pm

That Healey and the Dolomite seem to be on steroids... Wink

(actually, checking my DB, the Healey's tires are to sticky, and I haven't looked into the engines)
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