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 Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)

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Butch

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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Sat 20 Oct 2018, 4:55 pm

Good job, the kids.
what about the sound ?
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Sat 20 Oct 2018, 5:25 pm

Hahahaha 'kids'. I wish...

I've been thinking about the sound, there are no other mods as far as I know with the flat eight engine, except maybe the Porsche 910 in Absolute Le Mans, which I do not have, and I don't know what they used for the sound. Some 906's had flat eights but the 906 mod in gtl uses the flat 6 sound from a 911.

I am open to suggestions. Or help.

So good to have you comment (and positively!!) here, Butch, was dreading having to ask you for permission. Thanks!

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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Sat 20 Oct 2018, 5:28 pm

The problem with using the 908 flat eight sound is that it is a larger engine so it sounds different, more explosive.
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Sat 20 Oct 2018, 5:59 pm

Porsche 908/2 1.1 by Hubert
may contain what you are looking for, i think it was on this site.
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Sat 20 Oct 2018, 6:12 pm

I've got it but that's a 3 litre engine, so because of the bigger cylinders it will be more raucous, less smooth sound as in the 2 litre or 2.2

I guess in a pinch we could use the 908 or even the 907 engine, which was developed from the 2.2

http://exclusive.multibriefs.com/content/the-history-of-eight-cylinder-porsches/transportation-technology-automotive
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Sun 21 Oct 2018, 2:43 am

thumbup ... The History of Eight Cylinder Porsches

Nice read mate. Thanks for posting.
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Sun 21 Oct 2018, 5:26 am

In Power'n'Glory you have the Porsche 904-8, in Targa Florio livery, and the 8 cylinders sounds made by DucFreak... The two Le Mans skins made by Phil have already been done by somebody else as I have them in my GTL, tbough I can't tell where they come from...
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Sun 21 Oct 2018, 5:34 am

I don't have GTR or Power 'n Glory.

So we are wasting our time? Why not upload them, and save everyone a lot of time and effort?

It's been worth the investment in time anyway, I have learned a lot, I only discovered GTL six months ago...
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Sun 21 Oct 2018, 6:07 am

I'm not telling you you are wasting your time, you are absolutely free to do what you want, I'm not here to tell others what they should or shouldn't do.

I'm only uploading stuff made by others when I have the original archive. My GTL and P'n'G are much too modified to work on a regular install. It's no use posting something that will cause CTDs on other peoples computers...

By the way, I have found the archive of the GTL version of the 904-8 :
https://www.mediafire.com/file/y4b3kc1ekqqss4b/Porsche_904GTS-8_%23186_Targa_Florio_1964_v01_00_by_Aramid.7z/file
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Sun 21 Oct 2018, 6:12 am

It's an objective fact. If the mod and sound already exists, then we have been wasting our time. Me stating that we are wasting my time does not infer in any way that you are telling us what to do. And I would never ask for your current install, that would be irrational; obviously the original archive is intended.

Thanks, I am sure the Targa Porsche will be very useful!


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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Sun 21 Oct 2018, 6:30 am

The Targa Porsche #186 uses the PORSCHE_904GTS6.aud from the original mod, so its not a solution, and is arguably incorrect anyway. (I'm a purist. Sorry!)

Does anyone know what the P&G 904/8 uses for sound?
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Sun 21 Oct 2018, 7:01 am

The specific 8-cyl sound files and .aud file for the 904-8. Lots of editing to be done in the .aud to replace the P'n'g default sounds for the GTL ones...

https://www.mediafire.com/file/2m49mpq4n9qa2c0/P906-8.rar/file

https://www.mediafire.com/file/ybyq5ueiigdgcwf/PORSCHE_904GTS8.aud/file
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Sun 21 Oct 2018, 7:57 am

Excellent! Thanks so much, kikoya, I will now have to go on the sound file learning curve, but maybe someone else following this thread will know more than I. Either way, it's a huge help, much appreciated!
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Sun 21 Oct 2018, 8:15 am

30_8 car is done:



And the times are very close, the Maglioli car is the Targa Florio one provided by kikoya this morning:



The engines were developed independently; mine just this week.
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Sun 21 Oct 2018, 5:06 pm

Great activities - two days away and nearly all is done GOOD

BTW: required skins could not be found on my HD - but now that doesn't matter jumping0041

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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Sun 21 Oct 2018, 7:11 pm

Hey Guys!

Does someone know something about the Spotlights.



I think it would be nice if we can get them for the Mod and i would like to make them if it is o.k. for Butch, when i get a little bit tired of the other Stuff i do.

Greetings
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Sun 21 Oct 2018, 10:51 pm

Yes! Wonderful idea, here is the 30 car - I see some of the 904's also had the spotlights below the 'bumper' level.


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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 5:18 am

Here's one with the low spots:


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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 5:43 am

Just BTW philrob I noticed when editing the tex.gtl files that the number plate on no.29 was in the graphics (which I thought was a nice touch) but it cannot be seen in the showroom or on the car on the track? There is just a dark space?

Here is the no.30 plate:


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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 7:01 am

I will be busy with the .aud file today, the 906-8 wav files are right, but it will take a lot of manual editing. CYA later...
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 9:06 am

Done!

I know there is still some cosmetic work to be done, and some issues that need finalising, but the mod (can I call it that? It's really a modification of a mod) is ready for testing/checking.

Any volunteers? I am also testing but it needs to be tested independently.

The issues:

1. The fuel tank size, which was 70 litres in the original mod but all the sources I have found say it's 110 litres
2. The engine seems to perform very similarly to the Targa Florio car on most tracks, but on one track the Targa car was 5 secs faster, so I need to understand why (cannot remember which track, did not do that test formally, will try to repeat)
3. The spotlights that Muddie has kindly offered to do
4. The number plate issue as referred to above
5. As far as I can tell, the gearbox is the same as used on the -4 and -6, same final drive ratio, and the original mod has a superb number of optional ratios (gear ratios are completely interchangeable from one car to another)
6. I am going to do icons (because I want to learn) but if anyone would like to do biks I'd be happy; I don't use biks.

If anyone has any other queries/suggestions, please let us know.
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 9:13 am

Uncommon,
the missing numberplate i missed, it must have been removed when i changed the genstring.I did this to move filler cap and remove front bumper spotlights.
I also left the original genstring in the CAR file that i altered and sent you.(also changes to driver/enginetype/number)
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 9:19 am

Ah understood, will sort that out thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 9:40 am

Okay I replaced the genstring with the original, and the number plate is visible but it looks like it's too tall, the letters should be shorter?



And the spots are back, but I have not seen a photo in which the spots are in this position, they are either on the bonnet or suspended from the nose? Does look great though, not suggesting it should change, just want it accurate, I placed some photos above. It's not far off the way the spots were on the 904-4's

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PostSubject: Re: Porsche 904/8 Carrera (GTS)   Mon 22 Oct 2018, 9:52 am

A question on file structure/location: In this instance, we have a special audio file for these two cars, and normally .AUD files go in the mod's main folder, but if I put it in the car folders, i.e. 29_8 and 30_8, will the game look for the .AUD file there or MUST it be in the main mod folder?

I have not seen another instance in which different cars in the same mod had different sounds.
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